people, please don't be angry at me, but do you sometimes ask yourselves this question?
i do..
What if it is right.....about.... even.... one.... thing. That would be a lot.
They are wrong in their most basis assumptions. They are crosswise of everything for heaven sakes. They crush faith and disregard the freedom that Jesus gave us. and they have lied-- knowing they lie---to people.
If they are right then there truly is no Jesus.
-goodbye yellowbrick road- elton john and bernie taupin.
when are you gonna come down .
when are you going to land .
Take care, Jeff.
Maeve
hebrews 6:18: it is impossible for god to lie".. is he all powerful, then?.
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Remember, dgp, if you discount the Bible as reliable, you can't call it as a credible witness.
Jesus was called the Logos--not the same as the "scriptures"--Two different "words".
Then he sent the Holy Spirit to help us poor folks who don't go to college--and some who can't read!
hebrews 6:18: it is impossible for god to lie".. is he all powerful, then?.
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OTWO--
I love the place where --it's in Jeremiah--(if this is true, either) that God didn't want any sacrifices--that all that was the people's idea--God just wanted them to LISTEN to him.
There must be a sense in which scripture is beneficial--but it seems no one could help providing "morals" to every action. Sometimes I think of God having to accept the small impulses toward understanding that came his way and just take the blame--Like when you ask your dog to roll over and all he seems to understand is "sit". Or he only chases the cat but he doesn't kill it.
P.S.I've had Christians doubt that I'm a Christian. So it's no big deal for me either, I guess.
hi.
this is inspired by another thread, but heres something that always bugged me.... if god wanted to know if abraham really was faithful... then why didn't he use his abilty to look into his heart and find out?
instead of putting the poor man and his son through a near death/ murder situation??
I amend to , in reading Shelby's lovely post that in retrospect Abraham apprehended the full import of what God had asked of him. I do not mean to imply that Abraham or Jesus after the Gift of life had been fully rendered by Abraham/Isaac and Jehovah/Jesus that there was anything but joy at the perfection of the acts to which they had obediently acceded.
That is my understanding of it.
The great example of faith is that at the moment of rendering our worship to God we do not know precisely his plan, we only trust his purpose. And we trust Him absolutely.
i don't want to high jack african gb's thread but something got me thinking.... moses, abraham were inbred and hearing god's voice... paul never met jesus yet he is the only apostle coming down like a hammer of gays and has this "close bond" with timothy.
then there is the issue of "horus" the egyptian god and is this where the story of jesus comes from.
i have searched the internet for information on horus and have not had much luck finding anything authorative either way.. my question is do you or don't you believe in the bible and why or why not?
For crying out loud--Didn't Jesus run against the Mosaic Law in essense? Did he "Believe the Bible"?
hebrews 6:18: it is impossible for god to lie".. is he all powerful, then?.
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dpg,
Are you sure that you are not arguing semantics? That is always a problem when you are reading a translation?
What is more doubtful is that an all-powerful God would have to lie---All he has to do is hire the WTS to re-write the Bible so you won't be any the wiser!
Seriously.
hebrews 6:18: it is impossible for god to lie".. is he all powerful, then?.
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OTWO-Where does the Bible say that it is God's Word? Jesus had a bone to pick with Moses'Law didn't he at Matt. 19?
There is the "graphics"--the scriptures
there is the Logos/the ideas, utterance of God---Jesus
If God doesn't lie then we need to listen to Jesus--through the Spirit he sent.
Didn't he know that the scriptures would be messed with?
God doesn't lie --but we do.
What is weak about not lying?
hi.
this is inspired by another thread, but heres something that always bugged me.... if god wanted to know if abraham really was faithful... then why didn't he use his abilty to look into his heart and find out?
instead of putting the poor man and his son through a near death/ murder situation??
Elderlite, Assuredly, Abraham didn't know the full import of what he was involved in any more than did Jesus sweating blood in the Garden"Father everything is possible to you, .. yet let not my will but yours be done..." How could this catastrophe be anything but a disaster?
As everyone points out and as every reference to the test indicats--Abraham only thought of one thing when he was asked --but even the WTS acknowledged the words are very distinct--The only question remainsis one ----WHY WOULD WE RATHER HAVE GOD ASK FOR BLOOD SPECIFICALLY? What is up with that
Do we love the bloody God we love to hate? Are we afraid that the Bible might, just might, allow that hidden in the miserable stinking lives of the Patriarchs there always was this God parleying with them for mercy, not sacrifice?
Jesus TOTALLY got it.... WHY CAN'T WE?
hi.
this is inspired by another thread, but heres something that always bugged me.... if god wanted to know if abraham really was faithful... then why didn't he use his abilty to look into his heart and find out?
instead of putting the poor man and his son through a near death/ murder situation??
With all due respect, cantleave, something more than a mythical construct has intervened in my life. The story that comes through the centuries about Abraham resonates as a true event even though it sounds like an allegory to you. I do believe it is intended to instruct us. But that doesn't mean that it can't be a true event.
If I told you about my life, you are free to call me a liar. If you tell me about your life, I can say the same to you. Niether of us will get any satisfaction out of it--And at this distance you only have my word for it. Or me, yours.
It takes a high degree of coincidence for an event to reach the level of convincing me that there is more to it than coincidence--Ther has to be an element more than that.
Personally, I am grateful that God helps fools like myself. I'm also glad that I realized that the greatest gift is that faith is personal--And I said that when the WTS tried to take my experience of God's mercy away from me. I told them that no corporation can give faith nor can it take faith away.
The Beauty of God is that he isn't a billboard. He does come to us personally. And if we are silly enough to believe that he cares then it is all very good for us.
Because often it is true that nobody else gives a damn and those that do can't get to you in time.
